On today’s episode I am super excited to introduce you to an Amazing woman who is a wellness guru, VFLW player, Harvard grad & founder or a ground-breaking Australian business. She is the Head Wellness Consultant at Drake Wellness Club, Founder at Play Like A Girl Australia, VFLW Player at Port Melbourne Football Club, and Founder & Chief Growth Officer at the Hive Business Club. Our guest is Holly Bailey!

She was raised in a high-pressure sporting environment, she has worked as a community builder in several organisations, helping to not only foster a positive working environment internally, but grow the business through networking and business development.

Holly’s dedication to her career not only resides in the corporate sector, but on the field as a VFLW player at Port Melbourne Football Club. Many life lessons have come to Holly through sport, the most obvious being the need to prioritise wellbeing and weave it into everyday life.

Holly is a passionate advocate for the advancement of girls in sport and leadership. In 2016 she channelled her passion into a movement she founded called Play Like a Girl, an initiative dedicated to the empowerment of girls and women through the power of sport, inspiring a new generation of confident, healthy and successful leaders.

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Some fun facts about Holly:

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She was a VFLW player at Port Melbourne Football Club

She is a passionate advocate for the advancement of girls in sport and leadership

She is a certified practitioner of several human behavioural tools, including Meta Dynamics, an Accredited EDISC Consultant and has recently graduated from Harvard Business School’s Negotiation Mastery Program.

She hosts the show "More than meets the eye with Holly Bailey"

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Dot com. Well, welcome back, everyone, to another episode of Qenos, our brand new shot, which is focusing on amazing women, doing amazing things. And today is no exception. I've got an amazing one on line. She is doing several things.

And I had the pleasure of interacting with the creative kids when we have our studio through Toby still from the man in charge there. And I saw one of her episodes appearing on this show, and I was really interested in talking to him more about what she does in a day and more importantly, for her to come

on our show and share her journey. So I'm going to tell you a little bit about him. And then we're recording on speaking. So this is going to flip back and you'll be able to see it for the very first time.

So she is a wellness consultant at Drake Wellness Shop. She's a founder at Play Like a Girl, Estrella. She's a BFW player at the Port Melbourne Football Club. She's also studied at Harvard and she spent time working with and collaborating at the AFL as a developer manager.

It's Holly Bailey Ellu. Thank you so much. I'm really excited to be here. Well, good to have you on the show and glad you could be one of our very first guests. My absolute pleasure. And I know it's kind of weird because we intend to do this in studio, but we've had to sort of pull the trigger

and stop the show virtually. Tell us a little bit about where you're bunkered down today and how you get in through. Yeah, for sure. We do have to be adaptable at the moment, don't we? I am currently in Port Melbourne.

That's where I live. I work from home in my spare room. I work from home prior to carve it and for the last couple of years. So in terms of how I work, it hasn't changed too much, but it definitely takes away the choice around where I work and how I set up my day.

So that's probably the only thing. But I live in a nice house and I've got lots of work, so I don't have too much to complain about. And so good coffee isn't far away like it's within five days.

So for much good coffee circles, and I'm a cop on every corner. But we're not sure of anything that we need around here within the Port Melbourne bubble. Holly Bailey, what is your go to coffee order? I have an almond latte.

Almond latte. Nice. Talk to us about the switch. We were a dairy consumer that's being converted. I bought this. I used to be a skinny Marclay and then I was a soy latte. And Ellen Remati. Well, Nextag. And you love the variety?

I like to mix things up. I'm not against the others. It's just a little flavor right now. Very cool. I love it. So one thing we asked our guests, the very top of this show is to get an insight into what a day in the life looks like.

And obviously things have changed on TV from you, given not much chance from a working perspective, given that you sort of self-motivated, you food from home, but you probably haven't been able to get out these clients as much.

And you seem to be quite a social and person likes to interact with others. Tell us about maybe what's a typical day look like for you and optimum day? And what are some things that you've had to change or maybe one or two things you've adapted that have actually served you surprisingly well, Portugal?

So my thing that I cannot go without doing is my morning routine. If I didn't take time for myself in the morning before everyone wants to hang out and talk and create, then I don't think that I would still be same.

My morning routine is the time of the day that I get to look after me and I wake up early. Drink water, go for a walk journal, meditate. Have a good couple of hours to really orientate myself for the day that I've had that for quite a while, so that it for me is a non-negotiable.

Then after that is where I'll turn into work mode. And that will be. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I would normally be out and about meeting people face to face. I definitely vibe off the energy of good people and good conversations.

I've had to shift that a little bit. I still make sure that I'm meeting people and networking all the time. Opportunities and great conversations still happen on Zoom. Of course, it's not the same, but I've found that to be something that needs to still happen, things that I've had to implement to make sure that what I'm doing

is sustainable, is actually taking breaks between meetings and I'm Kordic. So I can be a stickler for sitting at my computer all day, just powering through, trying to get as much done as I can. However, while I might take more items of my to do list, it's often not as the quality might not be there, because I'm

not giving myself time to think and to create and just to slow down for a second. So being proactive with how I structure my diary is really critical. Yeah, totally. So I must admit. How do you give into the temptation of, well, maybe what's the strategy put in place for getting lost in the in the endless amount

while she trying to chew off these deady kind of tasks? Yeah, I absolutely have notifications off. I don't have any pop ups on anything. I don't have notifications on my phone. I try and be as focused as I can on one particular task while I'm doing it.

That's not to say I don't open outlook constantly, but I do my best to avoid distraction and focus on one thing at a time. And it might be stepping away from my desk and going sitting downstairs and focusing there or just a change of environment tends to tends to help.

So I mentioned earlier that you studied at Harvard, and I think the caller saw that you were you touched on was negotiation mastery. Tell me more about how you study at Harvard, whether it served, you know, remote or in-person.

And what led you to that particular topic for sure. So I studied negotiation, negotiation, mastery at Harvard online program. That was I was really looking for ways to be able to come into a conversation, a negotiation, which I so my story, I guess a little bit I would be able to generate meetings and open up opportunities for

myself and with other clients as well. However, when I'd get into the meetings, I was always winging it. The word I thought, you know, I thought I'd be doing the good job or I'd want to move the conversation in a certain direction, but I'd never had any tactical skills around it or I'd never been taught.

And I really wanted to go into a meeting and to be able to direct it and to be able to say the things I wanted to say. And I wanted to be able to have a voice and improve things in the direction I wanted them to go.

So I felt I'd found myself. Why? Evolution, I guess, was being out to open up opportunities. And then I wanted to be able to really use them to the best of my ability. So that's why I wanted to do that program.

So why Harvard? And also, what is it about the learning experience that you go to immerse within even remotely that makes it so special? What I loved about it is that we had an opportunity to do a blended learning experience, so we.

Learned through a module, learning, we learned for online learning, and then we'd also do practical exercises with other people in the program and we'd come together and talk about our experiences like that. So they would set you up with scenarios and you would be partnered with someone else in the program, and you would need to prepare yourself

for a negotiation and then go into a negotiation. So that would the first one was one you would do via an online chat. The second one was on the phone and the third one was by Zoom's or face to face.

So they all got a little bit more complex and a little bit more detailed. And you had no idea what information the other person had. So it was really fun, actually. Also stressed, though, it was good motivation to research and really get into it.

I love hearing that, and I've paid close attention to Masterclass recently, and there's a guy who I've read a bit of his book, Chris Voss. Have you heard of him? And he's got a book called Never Made in the Middle.

And, you know, being British. I just read that you got recommendation for that. I was thinking, how do I know Chris Voss? Yeah, I just read your book. Yeah, I just read your book. How cool is that? It doesn't matter who you also release because the content is so good.

But that's that's awesome to hear the point you made around being in the room. You know, not a problem getting getting in there and making it happen, but then being out of direct conversation, having a voice and get an outcome.

So I think that's incredibly important for a lot of people at the moment who are starting a business or potentially or in a business that is struggling. It's hard and maybe they don't have the conference doesn't feel right.

Some people to really start hustling and try and get themselves into more rooms, whether they be virtual. So I was just ask, was there on that one, really? Let's say that Holly, after doing this course, is heading into a room and you can pick the topic.

Just tell me an example of maybe one key thing you're able to do after having done that, learning that I want you to get the outcome for yourself and really feel like, wow, this works awesome. May I have more than one point?

Yeah. Yeah. Great. I thought that's going to be way too hard because I got so much out of it. But I'll I'll try and narrow it down briefly for you. So, number one, the biggest learning I got was be prepared.

I was absolutely not the smartest person in that group by any means, by a long stretch, however. On more than one occasion, I was more prepared. So I got a really good outcome. I'd spent more time prior to the conversation thinking about all the different scenarios that might come up.

I knew it really well. I knew what I. Some things that I wanted to say. I was I could it gave me more opportunity to anticipate what they were going to say. So that preparation absolutely key. Most people don't prepare.

It might be five minutes that you take. If you take a little bit longer, even better. But prep was one major thing. Number two, and more more validating than a complete revelation. But to really trust that what you get intuitively in a negotiation, it's a conversation between two people.

It's not you versus me. We are hopefully after a positive outcome that's beneficial for both of us. So seeing it as a collaborative conversation rather than I am here against you, it's just it's a shift that is really important.

And being out of the room, I think if you if you if I learn it for myself, if I notice something or something feels a bit clunky, to just acknowledge it and trust that intuition that I get that.

Yeah, that Dalma that I get all that intuition that I get, trust that go with it. Yeah, I love that. Excellent. All right. So I want you to think back for me. Obviously, she can. This can be people that were really close to you, potentially in a family friendly way.

And they may have even been some people also from a distance who you admire. But I'd love to start hearing about who is some of your role models as you grew up. As a kid, I loved Sharelle McMahon.

She is a netballer, absolute guy on really sharp Fargas competitive, loved watching her play. I also grew up in a family of very passionate Essendon supporters. Sir James Hird was the epitome of an athlete. Yeah, we absolutely loved Daddy.

And Maddy Lloyd. So they were in a sports context. They were people that I really admired. So when you when you when you look at them, is this a good point? Right. Because you're a baseball player, right. So you've played hockey at a high level.

Did it occur to you as a child when you were looking up to a male football idol that you'd like to play? And did you ever think that you'd be able to and that people like you now would be looking out for a female role model?

It never occurred to me that my role models in football, women, I never thought of it like that, I would just go. I grew up with my dad and my brother, so I grew up in a boys world.

That was the norm. So if we going to the cricket club will go into the footy club. It would be normal to be surrounded by boys. And me being out there kicking the footy or throwing a ball would be.

Yeah, that was what I was kind of used to. I've never thought about it, really. It's only now in hindsight, I go, wow, all my football, you know, all of those role models of women. Give that question to me again.

Well, what I'm trying to work out is, you know, I saw an article today around Lauren Jackson as an example, being named as one of the top 25 WNBA players of all time. And I remember when I was younger and she was like the only one I could think of that was playing that sport professionally.

And she kind of broke it open. And then I'm just thinking back, imagining you as as a young child and there was no women's football around. So it was, like you mentioned, a net plus your own league, which is quite interesting.

And that's obviously a professional in a certain sport. But I wonder what difference maybe it would have made for you if AFL, W., had it been around then, do you think you would have been more into following a nordling afl w what do you think is still a lot of Djiboutian, loyde?

I don't think I had a choice about the Herrity and Lody. I think that was in the Valy blood. So that was always going to happen. However, I'd love to share this, actually, because I've been doing a whole lot of research myself around different female athletes, because we've got a program coming up.

So I wanted to be able to tell great stories and learn more about female athletes that are around and have done great things. I got it brings me to tears. Looking at it and I've thought the same thing, had I known that there were women actually out there doing it?

Football did exist when I was a kid, but I didn't know it had invisibility. I didn't know that that was a possibility. So had it been had I known that that was an option for me? Absolutely. I probably would have looked to that as a as a way to move forward as a sport to play.

Sharelle McMahon was the only person that I could think of that I was that I remember as a girl, that I aspired to be like it was all the boys, you know, even in cricket and loved Ricky Ponting.

And I love the Wall Brothers. And it was just that was that they were all I saw on TV and all I knew. So, yeah, it's it's really interesting to think that these women were out there doing great things.

There was this Michel. Tim, she was the first woman to play WNBA. Yeah. Yeah. Learning about her story. My height. So I loved it. And she you know, this women been doing amazing things forever, but the visibility in the spotlight hasn't been there.

And yeah, I would have loved to have known that as a kid. It would have given me something to aspire to for sure. Yeah. Yeah, totally. So. You know, you've obviously come from a big sporting family with not not just football being a real passion of yours, but it sounds like you played multiple sports.

If that is the case, then talk to me about why you landed on pursuing AFL over Steinhafel basketball. Some of these more established coach. I grew up playing that role that was my first love. I guess I mean, I played every sport I could get my hands on when I was a kid.

In any school sport, anything I could do, I'd be playing. But when I first played netball, I fell in love with it. I just I loved everything about it. I loved playing. I loved practicing. I loved training. It became my entire world.

I would play netball every night of the week as many games on the weekend as I could. And I only now appreciate so much my dad that would drive around the countryside taking me to all the games. He is a tough guy, but he is a big marshmellow, so he wouldn't be able to say no to me

. So I would be playing five, six, seven games a week. I don't even know so many. So netball was my sport until I was probably early twenties, maybe mid twenties, hadn't thought about playing footy. I think I played one game on.

I played one game seven at school, and then I play school footy and I'd be a little terrier out there and usually caused some trouble, but never really thought about playing outside of school. And then I think I got to about twenty seven.

Yeah. And I bought that's when I felt we had now it was now in the spotlight. It was available. And I thought, my gosh, if I don't cry now that that there's a clock that I might miss. So I'm going to have a go free and went and play.

I played netball in Sydney my first year that I moved across to football. And it was really tough on the body. And I was bit tired to to try and do both. So the next year, I thought I'm going to go all in on footy.

I've been a good netball for a long time now, and I loved it. And I was sort of looking for a new challenge and if I was to be the one. So what's the one thing about crossing over from Nepal to football that people would realize is actually a really good crossover?

Two things. One, what came across really well for me skill wise, I got coordinated, so skill wise it came across. With some work, but I came across quite well. However, the game experience and understanding what it's like to be on the field and positioning and and finding confidence in knowing my role, that took way longer than I

expected. Way longer. Yes. So that was unexpected for me. The other thing that I really love to share is that for quite some time, I'd spent time almost suppressing that netballer, pretending that I'm not a bowler anymore. I don't want to be that I'm a footballer now.

However, that skill set is something that I built over 20 years, and it was a night to me. And it's actually a tool. It's actually a great thing. And that's why I'm good at football, because I brought that netball background.

It's not something that I shouldn't bring it, something I should definitely bring and use as a tool to build on. And it took me a couple of years to identify that. But once I stopped pretending like I wasn't in it and embrace that in my game, it became it just changed the game.

Really? Yeah. Awesome. Tell me about your latest endeavors. Maybe you can touch on playing like a girl as well. And then because I want to sort of start hearing or ask question about, you know, maybe it's gender specific challenges that you face directly or maybe you've helped others work through that you've witnessed that you've really been able

to make an impact and and that won't do. Definitely. So play like a girl was Tooli Avenue, I guess, or my vehicle, to be able to share what I've learned through my sporting journey and bring those lessons back to young girls coming through now.

So I've wanted that to be a way that I could go, hey, here's what I've learned that have worked really well. Here's what other people have learned that I have that has worked really well for them, and then put it into a program that we can share with young up and coming female athletes.

That was where it started. I thought, oh, God, I think we've all have those moments. God, I wish I knew that when I was a kid. I wish I knew that when I was a kid that would have helped me.

So that was the reason for starting it. Then I had some opportunities. I've got a good network in the sporting space. I had a whole bunch of opportunities to go out and run those workshops and start speaking to people.

And what was amazing about it was that it wouldn't matter what sport it was, because I'd get put into environments where we'd have spawned a whole range of sports that I had no I had no I knew nothing about, like go karting and skiing and all these sports that girls were elite in that I didn't know about

. However, when we got into a room and just talked about some of the things that the barriers of some of the things we run into terms of challenges from the perspective of pathways that were all very similar, it didn't matter.

When we were in that safe room, people faced the same challenges. So that to me, empowered me to go, hey, this is so much more than just football. This is girls, you know, and how we help them move forward in sport, school life, whatever it is.

So at that point, it was workshops here and there for a range of different clients. And then now that has evolved and play like a girl means so much more than it did to me then. I think a lot of it came from kind of a rebellious place, which is still absolutely within me, you know?

Yeah, I play like a girl. I absolutely do. Like, let me show you. So that exists within me. However, what evolved was the the most powerful part we have is as women and as girls, is to play like a girl, like to really embrace that intuitive way of playing and to just play like a kid again.

And that's the real goal. So I really like that spin on it. And yeah, now we're we're rolling out a new program, which is an online program that's going to be able to help athletes who are coming up and people who are well down the journey and people who would need to be able to develop some off

field tools that they can use now while we're not able to play and so that they can keep growing and keep learning and keep getting better while we can actually all be together. So who would be an ideal person that would take that off?

Any girls who are playing footy and want to be playing footy, but it's huge. This program specifically is girls from around 15 to 19 years old. Fantastic. Love it. All right, so has there been an instance or situations where you've really been able to play an active role in fixing or picking up on a gender specific charge

and turning it around for really helping someone going through that process? Definitely. I've had those moments myself where I've been in a situation where something hasn't been quite right or that, yeah, I'll go into the one that I thought of first, where and it's happening now.

And something I'm really, really passionate about changing is that the football. Concept of what's being created in the AFL, the AFL is based on what it has been for the men for the last hundred or so years. They'll take that structure and just go here, let's create the same structure for the women.

Women are not the same. We we will thrive in a different environment. And we have an opportunity to create a really high performance environment, not just from a playing skills perspective, but from a wellness mental health perspective and having more conversations around how we help each other to get better.

And I think that we just have a real opportunity to recreate. We don't have to use what's been done forever. Women will. I remember one club that I played at, we'd had a coach that had never coached women before, and he was very aggressive in the way that he would communicate, not intentionally.

I don't think that he meant to be aggressive toward anyone. However, when he would yell and really very directive and there were a lot of women that were very uncomfortable in that environment, was inappropriate. And I think that there needs to be conversations had about how we get the best out of who we have in the room

and in our clubs and in our teams and providing the environment that supports them and getting better. That's great. I mean, I'm just trying to imagine you in one of these sessions that are you needed to talk to your back and say, hey, that's enough.

I was kind of I was fine with it. It doesn't affect because I, I knew what it was like. I would just get up close and it kind of worked for me. But I could what made me uncomfortable was that I'd say other girls tearing up or I'd see other girls really go into their shell because of

it. And that authority figure being so aggressive for it just is really inappropriate. And yeah, for me, fun for the girls. It was never going to work, especially at the grassroots level. It wasn't going to be just different, you know.

Right. The room. Yeah, totally. So now that you've become the person you are and you've been able to develop all these initiatives and sort of, you know, you become a real authority figure in your space, whether you probably acknowledge it or not, because of how far you've been out of bounds, how you can help people in this

space. There's people coming through for the first time now that are probably you 10 or 15 years earlier. There's going to be a couple of things still that really bug you as something that you don't understand why they haven't been change or maybe that you're working hard on to do, because you just know.

And if you can change that, it's going to get way better. Any little I start off. Think a couple more. How is this? We have girls at a semiprofessional level who are still needing to pay fees to play.

However, the men's team are getting paid to play, but the girls can't get any help with sponsorship. So there's this whole concept that there's no money in women's sport. That's why we can't pay them or that's why we can't get them sponsorship.

We can't get them sponsors. It's not true. There are so many people who really want to invest in women and really want to support them. There's not someone who's dedicated going, hey, we need 500 dollars as a player sponsorship for this one girl.

There are so many people that would be so up for that. However, this it's just not it's not that it doesn't exist. It's that no one's actually doing it. So it's just baffling to me that there's girls playing at that level that are still needing to pay to play.

I made this so I could go on such a rant. But we need to create if it's a late environment or simulated environment, we need to provide them with the environment that allows them to thrive. And that means what if we paid them a salary to play?

And actually dedicate their time to playing the sport and doing everything that they need to so that the sport and they can develop Brina. Yeah, I mean, hearing that makes me think I can see how you could create a marketplace where people could sponsor a female athlete or a VFW player, maybe even a one playing in some

level. But it's more about the specific individual as to why someone wants to sponsor and less about one level. And I can see a lot of businesses would like to sponsor amateur or professional woman or someone who's doing, you know, like that, because there's such a great role model just on on the football field.

It's just no visibility and it's not. Yeah, people just don't know. I think if you if you give people the opportunity to contribute and they'd love to. There's so much that, you know, even around the girls are still having to wear men's uniforms and stuff like that.

The fear is wrong. It's uncomfortable. It's clearly made for boys and men. And then we need to. Yeah. It's just not it's not made for women yet. Yeah. I mean, of course, there's investment and it takes time to to to create those things around uniform.

I'd like to say that fix that the environment of having more inclusive clubs where there's a female toilet or a female shower. And we're not in wet with the urinals and things like that of, you know, no one wants to be in there.

No one wants to be in there. No. So what about what about like? So on the flip side of that, there must be things that have changed recently that maybe even happen sooner than you thought because of the momentum and the great work you and others have done.

That's really made you feel proud. What's what's be one of those achievements? I think the number of girls that want to play, because now it does have visibility and now it's on TV for us to watch. They are like the garaged in school at a grassroots level for females is so high.

There are hundreds and hundreds of girls around the country that now don't know any different that just that play because they love to and they never knew that about you. I think that is just so exceptional. And there are a lot of people who are passionate about doing work like me, who are wanting to tell stories of

female athletes exactly like you, which is exactly what we need to be doing. The stories are there, and they have been doing this for years. We just haven't had the visibility of the people that are really wanting to go out there and drive it and.

That that's that makes me proud going. Well, what can we do now, though? There are people doing incredible things. You know, this girl can and there are a lot more initiatives now available for women that simply open up pathways or put more of a spotlight on on great people.

Well, awesome. What are your biggest fears or is your biggest fear? Why? One of my biggest fears is not being able to perform or deliver. So, you know, my I my metaphors always go to sport first, but they don't play out in business in life.

But, you know, having done all the work and bait and having worked on my skills and put in all the preparation and then get to game day, not be able to put it out in the park, I guess I'm not in business.

I do all the work and work really hard. I want to be able to get there on game day or day or whatever it is. And I want to be able to deliver really great content. I want to be able to deliver something that's really transformational and impactful.

My fear is not being able to do that to the best of my ability. So that's that's something that's comprehensive. What about is it like Crocs or snakes or. Oh, I think every time I'm terrified of spiders, I've got to feel like terrorizes a kid by my dad and my brother with spiders.

And now I am oh, I don't even want to be in a car or in a room or anywhere where one has been. It just it gets so stressful. Who's your favorite flw player and favorite overall female athlete or one?

Oh, I flw. I love Tyler Henkes from Melbourne. Thanks. She's such a little gun overall female. It's still. I love her. I think she she's very and she's doing great work in sport now this summer. She knows she's still involved.

Vixen's as she I think she does, meeting work for the victims. Oh, awesome. Yeah. That's great. So you mentioned earlier your preparation. You mentioned your morning routine. Give me an insight into some more of your, I guess, secrets to success that can be both from a daily perspective and maybe from like a more longer looking perspective.

Definitely, yes. Morning routine is a big one, just taking that time for self-test before going out into the world, that that's significant. As well as preparing, yeah, I guess I've kind of touched on them preparing really well for what's to come.

The secrets to success massively is around Fargas. I think that we all have these and we all have challenges and we all facings along the journey, whatever it is we're going for. And it's not we don't have to change anything or fix anything.

We just need to focus on the things that really matter. So I spend a lot of time, day and night, not a lot of time. I spend some time, day and night going, OK, well, where's my focus today?

They don't know the things I'm scared about, or is it on all the things that I'd love to do? So a switch of focus has been a significant lesson for me and something that I. Yeah, it's a secret to success for sure.

Yeah, I love it. Awesome. OK, so you mentioned meditation area, which is like I've done a lot of research on Tim Ferriss, and he reckons 80 percent of his guests will meditate. So that's like a no brainer. But is it like a particular type of meditation or a particular type of, you know, mindfulness exercise that really works

for you personally? I used to be a meditator. I knew that I wanted to be a meditator and I am all in Agal. So I went to a meditation retreat a few years ago where it was a seven day silence retreat, where you drew four sittings of an hour and a half a day.

So I don't learn by just dipping my toe. It's like for yourself. And ever since then, I've I've sat every single morning. I just got so much out of it. So some days it might be 10 minutes. It might be five the next day.

And it won't be half an hour. But I'll use an app called Timer Timer. So it gives you different different styles, different time. I really like that. I don't have one practice that I use. I use multiple, but there are some that if I'm feeling especially rende up or there's indecision, I've got one particular meditation that will

just help me to acknowledge what's going on. And just yeah, it's a little bit more direct than some of the other ones when I'm just looking for an uplift and a bit of stillness. What's the secret talent that you have that maybe only you in some really close to you know that you have.

I think this is a hard question. One I came up with was a really good friend of mine. I asked her this question and she said, you could make friends with a brick wall. And I thought, OK, I mean, I haven't thought of myself like that, but sure.

Like I love I love people. I'm learning about them. And I guess that's a skill set up at the time. That could be the target of this episode, making friends with a brick wall. If you had to put requite on a billboard, what would it be?

Did you see my record that I sent here? That was about a gazillion pages long. I'll correct. It was a poem. Wasn't that poem? Yeah, I'm going to share that in the transcripts of the show. You want to share it with us and tell us the context?

Yeah, I can. It's basically it's called our deepest fear. And the essence of it is that why not us? Like why not you if you've got something to go for? Why not? Like we all have uniqueness to bring to the world.

And us playing small does not serve the world. We've all got things to bring. So the essence of the message is, why not you? Hmm. I love that. Excellent. So how can we as an audience and as a as a fan base, not just check you out, but how can we collaborate and get involved?

And we dig a little bit deeper to really get down on the journey with you. Awesome. You can find me. I like a girl. Australia dot com. We've got a program coming up next month called Play to Win, which is the flagship program.

You can absolutely get involved in that if you're a girl wanting to develop some Coffield skills while we're not on field at the minute. We also run workshops, Kenard, a whole bunch of different high performing teams workshops so you can get us there.

And we're on Facebook as well as the same thing. Play Like a Girl Australia. My name's Holly Bailey. You can get Holly Bailey dot com. She's a pro. Well, I've been saying to every guest and we've had these chat already before, everyone listening.

This is just part one. So part two. And what we always intended to do with Holly was to get her into the studio. And she's she's Meldon bass. So that means fingers crossed, as soon as we get the green light, we want to get her into studio and we'll dig a bit deeper and do this in person

and really dove into those areas that she's an expert in. So between now and then, when you hearing this interact with us on our socials and tell us what questions maybe you'd like us to ask in the next version of Qenos with Holly Bailey.

Anything else to add before we wrap up today? I just feel really grateful to be on here with you. When you were talking about women who are out there doing great things. Yes. I'm so proud to be in that group of people.

So thank you for having me as a guest. I appreciate it. Pleasure, Holly. Come. Let's do it again. Thank you. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Qenos, if you loved what you heard, then do us a favor and review and subscribe to us on all your favorite platforms to get in touch.

Head to get torched. Dot com. And see you on the next episode.

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